# Demand return of funds from ion dao **URL:** \ **Category:** Proposal Discussion\ **Tags:** passed\ **Created:** [March 26, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598 "2024-03-26T04:12:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/1 "2024-03-26T04:12:41Z")
The ion dao pays itself around $25,000 per month, but the repository hasn’t been active in two years. > **[GitHub - many-things/ion-dao-contracts: CosmWasm smart contracts for...](https://github.com/many-things/ion-dao-contracts)** > > CosmWasm smart contracts for InterChain DAOs. Contribute to many-things/ion-dao-contracts development by creating an account on GitHub. A yes vote on this proposal demands that the ion dao return all ions to the community pool using MsgFundCommuntiyPool. **update** I had a call with Jake from ManyThings today, and he wanted me to clarify a couple of things – I think they’re accurate so I am happy to do so: - while they’re paying themslves about 25,000 /mo in ion, they’re mainly staking it or providing liquidity. They have sold less than $5000 in ion. - Long term they’d like ion to lead the creation of a copy trading platform. - Their code work is mainly in the ibcx repository: - [Commits · many-things/ibcx-contracts · GitHub](https://github.com/many-things/ibcx-contracts/commits/main/) Jake mentioned to me a scenario I’m quite familiar with: > They’re funded in ions, if they sell ions the price of ion will go down. So they’re not selling them, but this leaves them short on money to develop ibcx, which then leaves them short on team members to develop ibcx. I’m going to leave the proposal as it is, because it is basically stuck and that probably isn’t worth the ion emissions, but I also want to request that the community have a think on this. Vote options - Yes to formally request that ion dao return all ions with msgfundcommunitypool - No to take no action - Abstain to Express no opinion but contribute to quorum, supporting whichever side is winning - Veto to burn the deposit on this proposal And contribute to a veto tally which causes the proposal to fail if 1/3rd is reached ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWyles](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/johnnywyles/32/3114_2.png) [@JohnnyWyles](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/JohnnyWyles)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 8:42am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/2 "2024-03-26T08:42:03Z")
Oh wow, I thought the funding had stopped already since the payment was so long ago. If the team isn’t working on this anymore, then this is a clear yes, and the ION DAO needs to either find a new development team to continue IBCX or change direction. If the ION DAO is to continue, it should transition to the same model as SAIL by deploying on DAODAO with built-in clawback/veto rights from Osmosis governance. ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 9:44am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/3 "2024-03-26T09:44:41Z")
I don’t think it should continue at all. I think the ions are better used in the community pool. ---
**Author:** ![bananadao](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/bananadao/32/1645_2.png) [@bananadao](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/bananadao)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 11:03am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/4 "2024-03-26T11:03:46Z")
Agree that the team has basically abandoned IBCX/ION DAO (while still getting paid and choosing to pursue other projects???), but is there even any sense in clawing it back? What would that do to the value of $ION? What will the Osmosis CP do with it? Is the idea to convert it back into a memecoin again? To me, the value or meaning of ION has been completely severed from Osmosis and there is little reason to try to salvage it. I would instead recommend to the ION stakers that they demand the supply to be either airdropped amongst them, as compensation fo suffering substantial losses as the team continues to “pays itself around $25,000 per month”, or (ideally) transferred to a competent team. A clawback to the community pool would likely spell the end of any hope of any real value coming from ION (if that is even possible anymore). ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 11:55am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/5 "2024-03-26T11:55:11Z")
I’m game for that Mr banana By the way I mr banana what is a banana d a o? I really hope that we are tokenizing bananas and solving distribution problems. Please please say it is so ---
**Author:** ![SasoLithops](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/sasolithops/32/2032_2.png) [@SasoLithops](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/SasoLithops)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/6 "2024-03-26T12:44:38Z")
Hi! This is correct Github link on their work that was done in ION DAO in the last two years. > **[Manythings](https://github.com/many-things)** > > Manythings has 36 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub. Please also check pinned messages in TG chat they have been very active through the bear market mostly focusing on launching IBCX. Not sure about their next move though… ---
**Author:** ![LeonoorsCryptoman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/leonoorscryptoman/32/208_2.png) [@LeonoorsCryptoman](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/LeonoorsCryptoman)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/7 "2024-03-27T15:06:46Z")
One thing to take into account is that slowly but surely the exceptional position for IBCX in the Osmosis ecosystem is also reduced. So the big question remains indeed if we want to be associated with ION as native asset, or finally start treating it like any other asset who just has to deliver to receive special perks. I am all ears for the latter. With respect to the funds. I think @bananadao is right. The community members themselves have to step up in this case and decide what they want to do with it. The transfer as performed in prop #375 ([Mintscan](https://www.mintscan.io/osmosis/proposals/375)) kinda signalled the ION community and all subsequent products have to fend for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/8 "2024-04-07T12:54:15Z")
> [@LeonoorsCryptoman](#): > > One thing to take into account is that slowly but surely the exceptional position for IBCX in the Osmosis ecosystem is also reduced. So, would you mind putting up the prop? My POV is basically: I empathize a lot with the teams situation but also think that since work isn’t being done and value is being transferred, that this prop is likely the right direction. I’m asking if you’d do it, more as a temperature check for the community sentiment than as a request to make the prop. ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/9 "2024-04-07T12:54:58Z")
> [@bananadao](#): > > A clawback to the community pool would likely spell the end of any hope of any real value coming from ION (if that is even possible anymore). I don’t understand this comment. If some other team was going to take it up, shouldn’t they request from the pool, as opposed to be transferred in this prop? Seems like a better flow. ---
**Author:** ![LeonoorsCryptoman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/leonoorscryptoman/32/208_2.png) [@LeonoorsCryptoman](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/LeonoorsCryptoman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/10 "2024-04-09T16:22:17Z")
> [@faddat](#): > > So, would you mind putting up the prop? It would be more like a text proposal at first, right? We don’t have on-chain polling tools at our disposal I think other than normal governance routes? ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWyles](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/johnnywyles/32/3114_2.png) [@JohnnyWyles](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/JohnnyWyles)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 9:11am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/11 "2024-04-10T09:11:30Z")
There’s no veto mechanism like with SAIL for example. So yes, it would have to be a text proposal request, which if not followed (or countered by a restructuring of the ION DAO and proposal to confirm), would have to be a Juno Prop 16 situation ☹ ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/12 "2024-04-10T16:31:26Z")
1. I’m an automatic no to prop16ing this. 2. I think that they would return the funds if asked. 3. Might as well ask ---
**Author:** ![LeonoorsCryptoman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/leonoorscryptoman/32/208_2.png) [@LeonoorsCryptoman](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/LeonoorsCryptoman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 2:12pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/13 "2024-04-11T14:12:22Z")
Prop16 would be quite bad to repeat indeed. The first question ofcourse is whether this is supported by the greater community or just by a lucky few. For that some kind of social polling without going through governance would actually be cool, since it would be less heavy and official. ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 9:18am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/14 "2024-04-13T09:18:01Z")
You’re looking at the poll ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 9:21am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/15 "2024-04-13T09:21:37Z")
I’m going to put this proposal up today or tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![LeonoorsCryptoman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/leonoorscryptoman/32/208_2.png) [@LeonoorsCryptoman](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/LeonoorsCryptoman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/16 "2024-04-15T16:03:15Z")
The forum doesn’t really fly as a poll for what I have seen until now. There are some passionate people here trying to do gods work with prepping governance related topics, but the majority of the community doesn’t visit the forum for this (unless incentivized as I have seen happening on other chains…) ---
**Author:** ![faddat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/faddat/32/2098_2.png) [@faddat](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/faddat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 7:07am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/17 "2024-04-17T07:07:24Z")
Incentives for governance participation are just bribes. I’ll put this up now. I think that we should be realistic and understand that the level of participation is a proxy for the level of interest. ---
**Author:** ![LeonoorsCryptoman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/leonoorscryptoman/32/208_2.png) [@LeonoorsCryptoman](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/LeonoorsCryptoman)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/18 "2024-04-17T14:56:56Z")
> ---
**Author:** ![nostradamus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/nostradamus/32/93_2.png) [@nostradamus](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/nostradamus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/19 "2024-04-18T04:10:53Z")
So my initial reaction was similar to this comment in the Ion Governance Working Group telegram channel 👇 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/osmosis1/original/2X/5/5fed46e3df2eeace4cd49bb55aa8331b3176d5d6.png) But upon further discussion and thought I think I do agree with the premise of this proposal as ION tried and experiment and it just didn’t work out. There just isn’t any active participation anymore, from staker or dev, look at the last attempt by the Manythings team to [generate rebalancing discussion the forum](https://commonwealth.im/ion/discussion/11531-objective-rebalancing-metrics-for-ibcx-portfolio-and-new-rebalance)…post didn’t even get a single reply. On top of that the DAO will essentially be under the control of the Manythings team because of their outside holdings. They already have over 11% of the vote power with what they’ve staked and have another 5.5% holding…and that is just going to continue to expand as the remaining ~3k ION vest as the months roll by ([vesting schedule](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m59hMmjs5f4BDZZvjqAHamUNigiYVVI2YKQMbq-z1S0/edit#gid=1364710281)). ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWyles](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.osmosis.zone/johnnywyles/32/3114_2.png) [@JohnnyWyles](https://forum.osmosis.zone/u/JohnnyWyles)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 9:29am UTC](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598/20 "2024-04-24T09:29:26Z")
So… this passed. > **[Osmosis | Demand return of IonDAO funding](https://daodao.zone/gov/osmosis/proposals/772)** > > Summary > > Work on IonDAO software and software related to ION by the IonDAO and ManyThings has ceased. This proposal demands return of the remaining IONs to the community pool. > > For this proposal, all Is anyone planning on actioning this within the ION DAO itself? Have raised in the ION Working Group Telegram channel [Next page](https://forum.osmosis.zone/t/demand-return-of-funds-from-ion-dao/2598.md?page=2)